Michael Pachla: A look at Buffalo's three arbitration cases

Nice write up as always.

Just mentioned this in the other thread: now that price got $10m for a .920 career sv%, no doubt Lehner will try to use that to leverage himself. The question is, does the arbitrator look at Prices contract as an outlier or the new norm? If it's the latter, Lehner could be in for a 5-6 mil pay day.

As Rob Ray says, don't poke the bear. Offer him 3x4.7

Great Pachtion. I like the way you break down all three situations.

I'd like to think Lehner will be reasonable. I want to keep him on this team to see what he turns into, and I love his no-nonsense approach in the locker room.

I have no opinion on the tatoos, or the pugilism.

Nice write up as always.

Just mentioned this in the other thread: now that price got $10m for a .920 career sv%, no doubt Lehner will try to use that to leverage himself. The question is, does the arbitrator look at Prices contract as an outlier or the new norm? If it's the latter, Lehner could be in for a 5-6 mil pay day.

As Rob Ray says, don't poke the bear. Offer him 3x4.7
- jcragcrumple

if he gets a $5-6m decision, botts probably walks away and it would add to the whole Lehner thing

I hear your reasoning for Nathan Beaulieu, but I have to think he gets more than $1.5 per. Just seems really low. 28 points last year....

Again, I know its not all about stats, but it seems if you have high stats, you get paid well.... Look at some of these names just above and below Beaulieu's 28 points last year and the salary's are all higher than $3 mil. (except entry level deals)

Dmitry Orlov WAS 82 6 27 33
 Jacob Trouba WPG 60 8 25 33
 Damon Severson NJD 80 3 28 31
 Dion Phaneuf OTT 81 9 21 30
 Ivan Provorov PHI 82 6 24 30
 Noah Hanifin CAR 81 4 25 29
 Zdeno Chara BOS 75 10 19 29
 Nathan Beaulieu BUF 74 4 24 28
 Jason Demers FLA 81 9 19 28
 Jeff Petry MON 80 8 20 28
 Jake Muzzin LOS 82 9 19 28
 Marc-Edouard Vlasic SAN 75 6 22 28
 Morgan Rielly TOR 76 6 21 27
 Mark Streit PIT 68 6 21 27
 Ian Cole PIT 81 5 21 26
 Paul Martin SAN 81 4 22 26
 Jonas Brodin MIN 68 3 22 25
 Calvin de Haan NYI 82 5 20 25
 Troy Stecher VAN 71 3 21 24
 Sami Vatanen ANA 71 3 21 24
 Jack Johnson COB 82 5 18 23
 Radko Gudas PHI 67 6 17 23
 Johnny Boychuk NYI 66 6 17 23
 David Savard COB 74 6 17 23
 Mattias Ekholm NAS 82 3 20 23
 Dennis Seidenberg NYI 73 5 17 22

I'd be ok with a 3yr deal with Lehner...should give time to evaluate the younger goalies and see more of Crazy eye

Great Pachtion. I like the way you break down all three situations.

I'd like to think Lehner will be reasonable. I want to keep him on this team to see what he turns into, and I love his no-nonsense approach in the locker room.

I have no opinion on the tatoos, or the pugilism.
- Der Kaiser

the guy is very approachable in the locker room...every bit the professional...i think it comes to a reasonable conclusion

if he gets a $5-6m decision, botts probably walks away and it would add to the whole Lehner thing
- Michael Pachla

I think part of the problem is that Sabres fans haven't seen bad goaltending in almost 25 years. Even during the tank, all the goalies were really good. I don't think we realize how good we have it. Lehner is good. He's not Hasek good, maybe not even prime Miller good, but definitely worth holding on to

I hear your reasoning for Nathan Beaulieu, but I have to think he gets more than $1.5 per. Just seems really low. 28 points last year....

Again, I know its not all about stats, but it seems if you have high stats, you get paid well.... Look at some of these names just above and below Beaulieu's 28 points last year and the salary's are all higher than $3 mil. (except entry level deals)

Dmitry Orlov WAS 82 6 27 33
 Jacob Trouba WPG 60 8 25 33
 Damon Severson NJD 80 3 28 31
 Dion Phaneuf OTT 81 9 21 30
 Ivan Provorov PHI 82 6 24 30
 Noah Hanifin CAR 81 4 25 29
 Zdeno Chara BOS 75 10 19 29
 Nathan Beaulieu BUF 74 4 24 28
 Jason Demers FLA 81 9 19 28
 Jeff Petry MON 80 8 20 28
 Jake Muzzin LOS 82 9 19 28
 Marc-Edouard Vlasic SAN 75 6 22 28
 Morgan Rielly TOR 76 6 21 27
 Mark Streit PIT 68 6 21 27
 Ian Cole PIT 81 5 21 26
 Paul Martin SAN 81 4 22 26
 Jonas Brodin MIN 68 3 22 25
 Calvin de Haan NYI 82 5 20 25
 Troy Stecher VAN 71 3 21 24
 Sami Vatanen ANA 71 3 21 24
 Jack Johnson COB 82 5 18 23
 Radko Gudas PHI 67 6 17 23
 Johnny Boychuk NYI 66 6 17 23
 David Savard COB 74 6 17 23
 Mattias Ekholm NAS 82 3 20 23
 Dennis Seidenberg NYI 73 5 17 22
- Lilroot9

you're probably right...then again, nearly half (12) were on the pp so we'll see how they view it

you're probably right...then again, nearly half (12) were on the pp so we'll see how they view it
- Michael Pachla

Of course I want you to be right, it just seems low.

I think part of the problem is that Sabres fans haven't seen bad goaltending in almost 25 years. Even during the tank, all the goalies were really good. I don't think we realize how good we have it. Lehner is good. He's not Hasek good, maybe not even prime Miller good, but definitely worth holding on to
- jcragcrumple

botts protected him for a reason

Michael Pachla: A look at Buffalo's three arbitration cases
- Michael Pachla

one thing to remember, last off season only one player actually made it to arbitration


Tyson Barrie

I think part of the problem is that Sabres fans haven't seen bad goaltending in almost 25 years. Even during the tank, all the goalies were really good. I don't think we realize how good we have it. Lehner is good. He's not Hasek good, maybe not even prime Miller good, but definitely worth holding on to
- jcragcrumple

lalime, t blow and back up bob esensa thank you

one thing to remember, last off season only one player actually made it to arbitration


Tyson Barrie
- homiedclown

I hope Larsson goes and he gets $10k more than his QA

I was reading in the previous blog comments about walking away from Larsson's, and then read this blog, on how it's been before, but when researching things online came across this:


https://www.prohockeyrumo...ogy-arbitration-part.html


Did the walk away rights change in the last CBA? The previous cases, where they player or team induced? is this info incorrect? Or am I just misreading something, but it says the award must be 3.9 million to walk away on a player induced arbitration ruling.

- homiedclown

lalime, t blow and back up bob esensa thank you
- homiedclown

- Der Kaiser

- Der Kaiser

Let Lehner play the year under a 1 year deal after arb. Whether it's 3.5 mil or 5 mil, shouldn't matter. He needs to prove he's worth a long term deal

- Der Kaiser

- homiedclown

I agree with some stuff
and disagree with other stuff

Larsson at 1 mill a joke.